Wednesday, September 30, 2009
The Iliad Book 1 and Book 22
One thing that fascinates me is how borrowing, or jumping on an already famous story, was not considered bad. Originality was the problem. Virgil writes The Aeneid long after The Illiad and continues the story after the fall of Troy. The famous story of The Inferno by Dante Alighieri speaks of Virgil as well as his characters in The Aeneid, so it was common practice to do that.
Reading The Aeneid was not my only time I had been exposed to such work. I had watched the movie Troy before and I must say, things are kind of different. The epic itself is big on describing the violence and the gods interfence, but the movie does no such thing. Finally it is interesting to note that although Achilles is supposed to be the hero in The Illiad, in The Aeneid he is portrayed as savage.
The Iliad, Yeonsoo Kim
Iliad, Santigui Tounkara
Iliad
William Chiu
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Iliad and its heroes
The Illiad
The Iliad Books 1 & 22
Another thing that struck me while reading the Iliad is just how long winded everyone is. It seems like each character has the ability to extrapolate for hours and fight simultaneously. For example, Achilles' and Hector's exchange about what will be done with Hector's body seems like it went on long enough that maybe someone could've shot Achilles from the walls of Troy. A little unrealistic. Also, at the very end of Book 22, where Hector's wife is expounding upon the various trials and tribulations her fatherless child will now face, it seems a tad long winded for someone who just fainted and fell off a battlement. All in all, rather amusing.
Courtney Lum
Also having seen the movie “Troy”, I was quite surprised to see many similarities between the Iliad and the movie; however I feel the movie didn’t mention the gods and goddesses who played a major role in the actual story making the movie less accurate and detailed.
John Torres "Illiad Book 1 and 22"
Illiad Books 1 and 22
The Iliad Books 1 & 22
Monday, September 28, 2009
Felicia Ooi; The Iliad Books I and XXII
The epic started in midias res, as is typical of epics. Book I is mainly about the rage of Achilles, as mentioned at the start of the text, and how this rage of his affected the relatoinship between Achilles and Agememnon and how it ultimately affected the Trojan War. In this first book, Achilles is shown to be the perfect Greek hero who takes great pride in his strength and self-worth. Book XXII also is about Achilles, but this time it focuses on the "battle" between Achilles and Hector. Achilles ends up killing Hector, once again with the help of Athena, and Achilles shows absolutely no sign of mercy towards Hector, despite pleadings from Priam and Hecuba (rulers of Troy and Hector's parents).
I liked the way the story flowed smoothly, even though there were so many different characters. Homer makes this epic a very grand one, with a very interesting storyline.
Iliad, Ralph Monfort
Iliad Book1
Willie Ho
The Illiad Book 1
It was interesting to see the struggle for supremacy between both Agamemnon and Achilles, and to see how they both prioritized their individual glories over the well-being of the Archaen army, ultimately jeopardizing the efforts in war.
The Illiad
Sunday, September 27, 2009
The Iliad
Book 1
In the First book of the Iliad, the main characters and background is established, via a type of prologue to the main action of the Iliad. Agamenmon is asked by a priest to return his daughter, and when he refuses, Apollo punishes the Greeks by sending down a plague upon his people. When Agamenmon finally relents and surrenders his prize to her father, he takes Archilles's trophy woman instead, to which Archilles becomes angry and wrathful; pulling back from the conflict that Agamenmon so desires to be fought.
Overall, this story has played an integral role in all societies since it's recording, and still holds up as a riveting tale today.
Jenelle Fiori; The Iliad
Saturday, September 26, 2009
The Iliad: Books 1 and 22
Books 1 and 22 of The Iliad consist of captivating accounts of the quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon as well as the death of Hector, the mightiest warrior in the Trojan army. It seems that pride and honor are most valued among the warriors and gods in the tale, and that anyone who dares to injure or violate someone’s pride prompts a response of great wrath and vengeance. I found it rather foolish of Agamemnon to take away Achilles’s prize, Briseis, when it is bound to incur Achilles’s anguish and rage. Achilles, though he is egoistical, is able to control his anger through Athena’s calming words as well as those of his mother’s. However, in Book 22, he is cold and shows no compassion for Hector’s wish for Achilles to send his body home for proper burial.
One question I had in my reading arose during Achilles’ speech, “If down in Hades men forget their dead, even there I will remember my companion” (line 389, Book 22). Why do the characters assume they are going to hell? Do they not believe in forgiveness or the possibility of salvation? By being warriors and killing others, do they automatically accept their fate?
The Iliad, Jordan Hernandez
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
The Illiad, Book 1
Monday, September 21, 2009
Metamorphoses, Ralph Monfort
Metamorphoses, Yeonsoo Kim
Metamorphoses
Sunday, September 20, 2009
William Chiu
Metamorphoses
Metamorphosis
Metamorphoses
Metamorphoses
John Torres "Metamorphoses Book I"
Three Flood Stories
Metamorphoses
Another interesting aspect of this story was the amount of unnatural acts perpitrated by the Gods against the mortals. While all stories featured the Gods punishing humanity as a whole, Metamorphoses was the only story that seemed to blame the Gods with attacking individual mortals. It seemed to make these Gods more relatable, since they too can fall prey to petty squabbles and fallacies that plague mankind as a whole.
Metamorphose, Santigui Tounkara
Courtney Lum
Metamorphoses
Willie Ho
Saturday, September 19, 2009
Ovid, Metamorphoses
Metamorphoses
Jordan Hernandez, Metamorphoses
Margaret Yoon
I greatly enjoyed reading Book I of Metamorphoses because I found the literary style of the text quite appealing. By utilizing dactylic hexameter, the narrative flows beautifully, making the text pleasurable in auditory terms. Also, the text does not have much repetition, unlike Genesis or Gilgamesh, which directly connects to the different purposes of the creation myths. Unlike the Bible’s intentions of spreading Christianity and acquiring followers or Gilgamesh’s objective to reinforce a sense of community and collective culture, Metamorphoses functions simply as a story and for recording. The flood stories vary in cause and reason, for God is punishing mankind for his sin in Genesis, Enlil is bringing the disaster for a greater necessity in controlling the population growth, and Jove is exercising his power, encouraged by Lycaon’s disrespect for him. Even though they have concrete differences, a notable similarity is that the survivors of each flood embody devotion or virtue, gaining a divine power’s favor. By receiving blessings from a higher power, they are able to survive and continue their lives after the calamity.
Friday, September 18, 2009
Felicia Ooi; Metamorphoses
I also found that the reference made to Caesar by Ovid piqued my curiosity. It gave me a reason to research Roman and Greek mythology and I was then able to picture the kind of comparison Ovid was trying to make between Caesar and Lycaon. Overall, I preferred reading Metamorphoses to reading Gilgamesh.
Thursday, September 17, 2009
Jenelle Fiori; Metamorphosis
Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Lillian Lai, Gilgamesh & Genesis 6-9
Even though both Genesis 6-9 and the Epic of Gilgamesh have a flood in their stories, there are still many differences between them. The first is the duration of how long the flood lasts. The flood in Genesis 6-9 lasts for 40 days and the other one lasts for about 7 days. Between the two, it seems that it’s illogical to have a 40 day flood which shows that the Epic of Gilgamesh is more realistic. Not only that, both Gods in the stories have different intentions of for bringing about the flood. In Genesis 6-9, the God depicts human’s hearts as evil inside and out so he wanted to wipe out all his creations with a flood. On the other hand, God in Epic of Gilgamesh wanted all the gods to disappear because they are lazy so he thought of creating a flood to wash them all away. Even though they have a lot of differences, there are still some similarities in their stories. Both include details about the ship that the protagonists build to escape the flood. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, it even includes the exact measurements of the ship. Not only that, both poems include how God smelled the “sweet savor” which leads to God realizing that the flood was a wrong move.
Lillian Lai, Genesis 6-9
After reading Genesis 6-9, I feel that God’s view of humanity has changed drastically. In the beginning, God felt that all human’s hearts have evil intentions and that there was not one ounce of good in them. Through Noah’s actions, God slowly realizes that humans aren’t entirely evil and even regrets starting the flood. The flood lasted 40 days and wiped out all mankind and animals except Noah’s ark. This is a display of God’s power and control of Earth. Not only that, the Genesis insinuates that God will not hesitate in using his power to punish humans when they do bad deeds. In conclusion, Genesis 6-9 teaches that a level of respect of understanding is necessary for humans to coexist on Earth.
Ralph Monfort, Gilgamesh
Monday, September 14, 2009
Gilgamesh I and XI / Genesis 6-9
On the other hand, there are many similarities between this story and the story of Noah's ark. What is the significance that both of these stories of origins, both of these stories involving some greater being(s) discontent with the world and attempting to purify via flood? As I have stated in my first post, this could be for a number of reasons. Water, while having the ability of being extremely destructive, is also associated with life. Second, perhaps this can be seen as a cleansing of the world.
It is an interesting note that both stories have "flood stories" and how the two are so similiar. Both involve building ships with the most specific requirements, and sending out birds to survey the land.
Yeonsoo Kim, Gilgamesh
The second similarity was narrative setting throughout the whole content. Most of the sentences are short, and its meaning was directly presented. Even though the translation made me hard to understand what it’s about, but I can tell this literature wants clear spread out of story line.
William chiu
One similarity I found interesting was how both stories paid great detail to the dimensions of the boat. The reasoning behind which I can only guess as to the purpose. Both stories also use a dove and a raven to scout for land. However it is the raven which is able to carry out its task in Gilgamesh. This I found very fittings for the tone of the story because the raven is associated with bad omens in folklore.
Epic of Gilgamesh, Santigui Tounkara
John Torres "Gilgamesh Tablet I and XI"
william chiu
Although the story is easy to follow along, I could not find the link between the ending of part 9 and the rest of the story. Why did Noah curse canaan? What is the significance of Noah's nakedness in the presence of his son?
Anna Tsukroff
Sunday, September 13, 2009
Comparison
There are also similarities between the two stories. For example, both stories are very detailed when describing the building of the boat and the occurrence of the flood. Not only are the stories detailed, but they are also repetitive; this is done so the stories will stick as time goes on.
Courtney Lum
In Gilgamesh, the Flood was also an act of cleansing, but for no such reason other than the gods (particularly Enlil) were annoyed by the noisy, overpopulated humans. Unlike the Genesis God who is omniscient and omni-benevolent, the gods in Gilgamesh possess more human-like qualities and therefore are capable of being irrational, which is why the decision to completely erase all humanity was quick and poorly planned. While the Genesis God has complete control over the flood, the gods from Gilgamesh didn’t which is what led to such frightening, catastrophic storms like tsunamis and tectonic plate movements.
Gilgamesh
The epic of Gilgamesh is an ancient epic where there is a flood caused by Gods that destroys much of Earth except for a few survivors that survive on a boat they built. In this way it is very similar to the story of Genesis in the bible. The two stories were also very different. In Genesis God creates the flood because man became wicked and evil and in Gilgamesh the Gods created the flood because they found the human race annoying. I feel like in genesis God thought he was making the world a better place by causing the flood and did it as a selfless act and in Gilgamesh the Gods did it for a selfish reason. Another difference is that God felt remorse for causing the flood in Genesis.
Gilgamesh/Genesis
In both of the stories the dimensions of the boats to be built are very specific; however the shapes of the boats are different. In Gilgamesh, the boat is square, whereas in Genesis it is more like a rectangle. The lengths of the floods are different as well. In Gilgamesh, the flood lasts 7 days, whereas in Genesis it lasts 150 days. I think this is important to the reasoning behind the floods. God in Genesis is aiming to destroy and punish all life except for everything on The Ark and a lengthy flood is necessary for this. Since in Gilgamesh the Gods just want to have fun and kill humans for no real reason a shorter flood will suffice.
Some interesting symbolism I saw in both stories was that of peace and hope. In the Christian religion a dove symbolizes peace and hope, and after the flood in Genesis, Noah releases a dove (and a raven) in hopes of finding out the flood is over and they can leave the Ark. In Gilgamesh a dove, raven, and swallow were released for similar reasons.
Gilgamesh and Genesis
An interesting sidenote is the fact that the epic of Gilgamesh also utilizes a dove in order to discover land, but unlike in the Bible the bird is unsuccessful, instead the raven discovers the end of the flood. The raven is often characterized as a dark and mysterious bird, usually indicating a bad omen. Again, this could indicate differences between the two cultures; the importance of peace in the christian world while the Sumerian lands trumped the unexpected and dealing with the unknown.
Gilgamesh and Genesis
The Bible, Gilgamesh and the Flood
GIlgamesh
The Flood
According to the data, "Gilgamesh" is the first great heroic narrative of world literature, which has existed in 2700 B.C. Compare with that, the "Pentateuch"(first five books of the Bible) does not appear until 539 B.C. Therefore, the flood stories in "Genesis" and "The Epic of Gilgamesh" are very similar but still have some bifurcations due to the development of the civilization.
The difference between "Genesis" and "Gilgamesh" can be concluded as the following points. First, there exists a very different attitude about the God. It is obviously to see that the sole god in "Genesis" has absolutely centred power. Compare with that, "Gilgamesh" has variety gods in diverse positions with very similar power. Second, the reason why God inflicts the flood are quite different. Anu and other gods intend to destroy human just simply because of the overpopulation while the God in "Genesis" inflicts the flood due to his dissatisfaction with the sinner. Third, the selected heroes are different. Utanapishtim is a random selected human but Noah is selected because his faith.
Felicia Ooi; Gilgamesh - Tablets I & XI
Genesis 6 - 8 was primarily about God sending the flood to purify the earth of all the unclean and unrighteous people and it tells us about how Noah was the one chosen to carry out God's wishes. In that way, Noah was the clear "hero" of the story. There is a flood story in Gilgamesh as well. However, it was not Gilgamesh himself who was the hero who saved humanity from the flood; it was Utanapishtim who was chosen by Ea to save humanity and he was recounting the flood story to Gilgamesh. I felt that the main story in Tablet XI was actually Gilgamesh on a quest for immortality and the flood story was merely an explanation of how Utanapishtim attained immortality.
A similarity would be the element of repetition in both texts, though it is much clearer in Gilgamesh as many verses are repeated several times throughout the text. Reading the same phrases several times did not make the meaning of the phrases any clearer to me though. In addition to that, both texts contain very specific instructions as to how the vessel of humankind's salvation was to be built.
Only a small part of Tablet XI is actually about the flood. After the recounting of the flood, the focus of the story shifts back to Gilgamesh's quest for immortality that takes him to the ends of the earth to look for a plant that could restore youth.
The Bible is an obviously religious text that depicts God as wrathful, but also loving and merciful. Gilgamesh, on the other hand is not a religious text. It is instead a collection of stories about Gilgamesh, a cultural hero of his time and the stories are just that - stories. They have no religious basis and were possibly intended as mere entertainment for the people of that time.
Saturday, September 12, 2009
Epic of Gilgamesh
These two stories however differ in many ways. While the story of Noah is from the bible thus teaching about the power of God and calling people to believe in God, Gilgamesh on the other hand is an epic - a mere story for fun - and it is not calling anyone to believe in any God. Another difference is that in the bible, the main reason for the flood is given as due to the sins of man from the generations of Adam and Eve but in Gilgamesh, it doesn't say explicitly the reason for the flood. Utanapishtim just tells Gilgamesh to build a boat.
These and many more can be seen as the differences between these two stories
Jenelle Fiori; The Epic of Gilgamesh
To be completely honest, I was and still am totally confused by this week's reading of The Epic of Gilgamesh Tablet I and XI. I think the majority of the confusion is from the difference in culture and the reference to religions that are beyond my understanding.
Despite the perplexity, there are still some things that I can pick out from the story, some of which I can relate to the story of Noah’s Ark, such as the specific references to the dimensions of the ship. For one thing both are such powerful and known pieces about a rebirth of a society, each depicting a huge devotion to a god. In Genesis, Noah had a devotion to one God, one who was loving, peaceful and perfect in every way. In Gilgamesh, there was evidence of a polytheistic religion where there was more than one god, none of whom were perfect and forgiving. This is also important to the relation nature to this story, evident in the description of Gilgamesh’s physical attributes; as if he were a bull and all other people were also animals for a more delicate type. Another similarity between the two is the image of immortality, such that Noah had lived for nearly five hundred years and that Gilgamesh was searching for immortality and the secrets of the gods.
The difference between the two stories is the way and reasons for the rebirth story. In Genesis, God chooses Noah to build the ship for his distinct goodness as opposed to the other evil lingering within all other human beings. The reason behind Untanapishtim getting chosen in the story of Gilgamesh is not as clear; however it seems that the reason for the gods flooding Earth is to reduce the population size and just for sheer entertainment. Each story is known for the symbolism of a bird as hope, seen in Genesis when Noah sends out a raven and two doves, the last dove returning with an olive leaf, and seen in Gilgamesh when Untanapishtim sends out a swallow, a dove and a raven, the last of which does not come back because it has found sustenance. Despite the many differences in each, the story remains relatively the same about renewing life on Earth.